Last week the astronomy twitter journal club held a lively discussion on science jobs, particularly focusing on how best to go about getting them. There’s a preview of the meeting here.
I’ve highlighted some of the key points from the meeting in the review below. I couldn’t include everything though, so if you’re interested in the topic read the full tweet transcript.
Job advice – dos
Let’s start with a pretty broad question: what skills do you think are essential in getting an astro job? – @astronomyjc
some rambling tips on how to maximise chances of a fulfilling astro career coming right up
be lucky; be prepared to be mobile; publish high-quality work as 1st author; make sure your work gets seen – give good talk, often!
learn to write great proposals; avoid working in backwater subjects; understand priority management and behave accordingly
deliver on your promises – do not, under any circumstances, overcommit; try to avoid the 2-body problem
learn to be supremely efficient – exploit the great tools out there (evernote!); learn a rare skill (in UK, try interferometry)
do your bit, but don’t get sucked entirely into the outreach business – we can’t all be @profbriancox
remember than there is life outside HEI sector: UK national labs (UKATC!), ESO, ESA, NRAO, CSIRO – all superb employers
spend less time worrying about future job market and more time writing difficult few paras that finishes great paper – just do it!
- @robivison
I’ve been told that showing evidence of being able to attract independent funding is important – @kevinschawinski
Give talks at NAM, AAS, in ur dept, at confs. That is true thru ur career. I get frustrated at lack of travel money 4 that reason – @Matt_Burleigh
I don’t know if this is helpful, but tt faculty searches are often looking for people who will be leaders in their subarea.- @johngizis
lesson: look for new opportunities (instruments, fields). Fellowships often follow exploitation of new missions and instruments – @Matt_Burleigh
Number one thing at all levels is some sign of initiative – @e_astronomer
along the being prepared line, I think reading as many papers as possible is very helpful, both in getting ideas and in interviews.- @johngizis
Forget “prestigious institutes”. That means living on past glories. Make your own prestige. – @telescoper
Shocked to notice how little all this good advice resembles my early career path… must have been a different era – @NGC3314
But have to add the importance of “fit”. Candidates are culled because interests don’t “match”. So, good to develop “portfolio diversification”. Increases chance of “fit”, and demonstrates that you’re unlikely to ossify. – @dalcantonJD
Your CV is a brochure advertising you. Versality is good, as long as you don’t spread yourself too thin. – @telescoper
I think it is difficult to “package” what one should do at an early career in the path to whatever the ultimate goal. A career should be tailor made to ones own ultimate goal and it certainly is not a straight line for most of us! – @vrib_ast
and don’ts
don’t upset too many people. I dont mean keep quiet, but dont come across as arrogant, a bullshitter, a bore. dont behave badly – nicking other ppl’s data, cutting ppl off author lists, deliberately downgrading a rival’s proposal – @Matt_Burleigh
I can think of many people who love the sound of their own voice and it seems to push them on. Frustrating! – @samb8s
Some interview killers: undercut competitors, freeze in front of students, show contempt for institution/colleagues, display ego++ – @NGC3314
Dating other astronomers – the 2-body problem
@robivison what does try to avoid the 2-body problem mean?! sounds like don’t have a life … – @evanocathain
@robivison 2body problem is huge for many. It’s a real issue throughout academia. Unsolvable I think – @Matt_Burleigh
@Matt_Burleigh @robivison not just a problem for academia. It a problem for any mobile career. – @KarenLMasters
@Matt_Burleigh solvable, but unpleasant. prevent grief down the road – date outside your field, or date future nobel winner
– @robivison
The hiring process
Our hiring: identifiable contribution in collaboration, coding>>using codes, capable of independent work, attract $$ (tenure must) – @NGC3314
Quantity over quality?
I often fear it is indeed quantity over quality. Many get involved in big projects to “bump up” their count – @Matt_Burleigh
times have changed. quality wins out over quantity every time for jobs in good depts. must still meet basic quantity criteria tho – @robivison
when you are a PDRA, you have the most chance to publish in ur career. Once you start teaching, time for own work disappears…. – @Matt_Burleigh
The importance of good references
I think reference letters matter as much as talks or papers. what do you think? – @therem
Strong normalization (i.e. unwritten code!) issues with ref letters, most weighted for v. junior people – @NGC3314
sadly, having a reference from a Big Name & having spent time at Distinguished Old Uni also helps – @Matt_Burleigh
definitely pays to find a couple of Big Names outside your institute (international = best) willing to write you a good reference – @robivison
agree with Rob re getting international profs in ur field to write letters for u. Helped me a lot. Buy them a beer…. – @Matt_Burleigh
I’m only realising now what a leg up a high profile supervisor is – even if they’re a crap supervisor – @sarahkendrew
referees who write skilfully help a lot : they may sell you better than you do – @e_astronomer
Luck
How big a factor does luck play? i.e. being in the right place at the right time, for instance when a new instrument comes online – @astronomyjc
can’t discount the luck factor, but there is absolutely no doubt that folk make their own – @robivison
luck is *extremely* important, so one has to maximize the number of acceptable possibilities – @therem
“the more I practice the luckier I get” – Gary Player. But I *hate* the 24/7/365 culture in academia and dont want to encourage it – @Matt_Burleigh
Being noticed
also, being noticed >> being right (last tweet: within limits, obvs…..) – @sarahkendrew
following the herd won’t make you stand out; but wacky stuff could make you look flaky. Tricky.- @e_astronomer
its true that the American “show & tell” culture is a great help to them. But if u push it too far…. – @Matt_Burleigh
lets settle on noticed and MIGHT be right – @e_astronomer
Paper authorship & team membership
Important generic point, though. If your supervisor doesn’t let you be first author, you’re doomed. – @telescoper
Indeed. I dont ever want to do that to my PhDs. So I hope no one holds the 2nd authorships against me… – @Matt_Burleigh
But much easier to get a Nature/Science paper under your belt if you’re an observationalist? – @dr_paul_woods
Nature/ Science papers not worth the candle. Usually trite. Doesn’t matter where it’s published if it’s good. – @telescoper
@dr_paul_woods @BuChanda “Stayed away from big projects, so I have few papers”. Why does that follow, logically? – @telescoper
‘Cos in big projects, other people write publications to which you contribute. When I first author, I do work – @dr_paul_woods
Re: freeloaders on many-author papers: Sometimes PDRAs have done shedloads of work so should get name on paper – @astrofairy
And finally…
People seem to be looking for universal rules, which is impossible as the process is fundamentally chaotic. Most important point was made by @robivison which is to be lucky. – @telescoper
but fortune favours the prepared mind. – @e_astronomer